So, lets get going with polls... if the election where today...

[Hobbes]

Who would you vote for?

I'm going to do two polls, one with McCain (because I'm assuming he'll be the R nominee)/Clinton and one with McCain/Obama. This is McCain/Clinton. Look for the other poll in this area: http://www.yaaps.com/forums/showthread.php?p=808

I'd like to see if YAAPS were the electorate who would win the election and who has a better chance against McCain (so vote in both if you vote in one!)

[Gargoyle]

I want Obama to win. If Clinton does, I'm really not sure what I'd do. In my mind Clinton vs. McCain is the same as Bush vs. Gore. While I like Gore I didn't want him as my president. I don't like Clinton and McCain doesn't fit for me. Ack, this would be my nightmare, again.

[Sue]

I voted for Obama in the primary (but Hillary and Mitt won my state) I would probably vote for him in the general too. But I can not elect another "legacy" president. And TBPH the Clinton's really really get me going (not in a good way)

I vote, my neighbor. But I meant to vote McCain.

[saffron]

(nt)

[sarahrose]

I want Obama to win. If Clinton does, I'm really not sure what I'd do. In my mind Clinton vs. McCain is the same as Bush vs. Gore. While I like Gore I didn't want him as my president. I don't like Clinton and McCain doesn't fit for me. Ack, this would be my nightmare, again.

I feel very similar. If she does get the nod I may just vote McCain. And feel terrible about my choice. Even though I disagree with so much that McCain says, especially about the war, I feel that he's a pretty genuine guy. I think he may pander to the conservatives during the campaign to get votes but overall he's the least objectionable of the rep.

I just feel like rather than speaking TO the public HRC is speaking AT us. I don't think she is genuine at all and it makes it very hard to vote for her (or like her for that matter)

[Hobbes]

:) some people who voted in the Obama/McCain one didn't vote in this one :)

It will work better if they do so to get a feel for how the two Democrats manage (at YAAPS anyway :).

[kokoro]

I want Obama to win. If Clinton does, I'm really not sure what I'd do. In my mind Clinton vs. McCain is the same as Bush vs. Gore. While I like Gore I didn't want him as my president. I don't like Clinton and McCain doesn't fit for me. Ack, this would be my nightmare, again.

I think the world would be a *lot* different if Gore had won, though. Similarly, I think the world will be a lot different if Clinton wins than if McCain does. There is a huge difference between them.

[kokoro]

I feel very similar. If she does get the nod I may just vote McCain. And feel terrible about my choice. Even though I disagree with so much that McCain says, especially about the war, I feel that he's a pretty genuine guy. I think he may pander to the conservatives during the campaign to get votes but overall he's the least objectionable of the rep.

I just feel like rather than speaking TO the public HRC is speaking AT us. I don't think she is genuine at all and it makes it very hard to vote for her (or like her for that matter)

I'm not debating, just trying to understand--and I"m not a big Hillary fan. I can't understand seeing the *war* as less important than how you feel about Hillary personally???? That really confuses me a lot. Can you elaborate? Sorry to put you on the spot. I hear this a lot and just wanted to ask someone to explain this.

[sarahs]

I think the world would be a *lot* different if Gore had won, though. Similarly, I think the world will be a lot different if Clinton wins than if McCain does. There is a huge difference between them.


There is too much at stake with our environment, the Supreme Court and the war for me not to do everything in my power to make sure a Democrat is elected into office, even if that Democrat isn't my first choice.

Gore would have appointed vastly different people to the Supreme Court. McCain will appoint vastly different people than either Dem, that alone is enough for me.

[Hobbes]

I have to say, I don't find McCain scary like I find some of the other Republican candidates, if he were president, I'd not like it.. but I'd stay in the country (that's a joke :)... kinda).

A Clinton presidency part Deux would not be bad, but I don't think it'd be great either.

So if it were a McCain/Clinton choice I'd still vote Clinton because his position on Iraq and IRan are just untenable to me and I don't dislike Clinton, she'd be a decent president.

But Obama would be a GREAT president :D

[Gargoyle]

I think the world would be a *lot* different if Gore had won, though. Similarly, I think the world will be a lot different if Clinton wins than if McCain does. There is a huge difference between them.

Of course the world would have been different had Gore been elected. The world would be different had Kerry been elected. The thing is though, I didn't like either of them more then the Republican they were running against. I didn't like either. No one struck me with a fire, to want to get out and drag my children to a caucus to make sure my voice was heard like Obama does for me.

[Gargoyle]

I'm not debating, just trying to understand--and I"m not a big Hillary fan. I can't understand seeing the *war* as less important than how you feel about Hillary personally???? That really confuses me a lot. Can you elaborate? Sorry to put you on the spot. I hear this a lot and just wanted to ask someone to explain this.

I'm not Sara but I'd like to answer this question. With each politician I vote for or I look at to vote for, I weigh the issues they are campaigning with and their track record, with the issues and where I stand on them. With most, they don't meet every single issue I feel needs to be met. A lot of that is because I happen to be fiscally conservative and liberal with other issues. I teeter between both parties.

So for me, I vote for who fits me best and who I think can win. Like even if I love a 3rd party person and they fit, I know they aren't electable, because the rest of the US isn't going to vote for them. I also go with, who feels the most genuine. I didn't do that with Kerry though. I do deeply disliked Bush, I voted for Kerry even though he turned my stomach. I didn't vote for Gore either, but I didn't vote for Bush. I actually voted 3rd party that year knowing full well my vote wouldn't count since I was voting in Texas and they'd vote Bush in no matter what. I do though, think McCain is also more genuine then Hillary. That he isn't just saying things to et himself elected. I don't feel that way about Hillary.

Now just to be clear I don't feel this way about all women in office. I love Maria Cantwell and Patty Murry. I do though, feel the same about Gov. Gregoire as I do about Hillary. I don't know what it is about these women that strike me as unlikeable. I actually voted Republican for our Gov. instead of voting for Gregoire. I'm not a party line voter, I vote for who my conscious leads me to vote for. If I just can't stomach the two people running, I'll vote for the lesser of two evils but I loathe it and it makes my stomach turn.

So the long way around this would be, if I don't trust Hillary, the issue of the war is going to take a back seat to what I think she's going to do with the next 4 years. I want someone who'll guide the country in the next 4 years that I can trust and with every fiber of my being, I do not want that to be Hillary.

[sarahrose]

There is just something about Hillary that is off to me. I find her condescending and willing to do anything to win (no matter how unethical). I don't like her attitude right now while she isn't ahead. I hate how she is blaming caucus states and saying how wrong they are...while if she was way ahead (and won a few) I'm not sure her reaction would be the same. She kinda acting like a bad sport. Anyone who attended a caucus in WA know's that there wasn't just activists, as she is calling them, who attended. At mine there were old people, first time voters, college kids and normal everyday people(like me) there who felt really strongly. And I don't like the race card she is occasionally pulling out. I think rather than pulling the country together she will be very polarizing.

Sure, maybe she would be an okay pres. but I don't trust her.

And that is key to me: I don't trust her.

While I may not agree with McCain on the war front...I'm not completely sure he'd be as bad for the country as Bush is now. I do think he is genuine. (however much I would rather that Obama wins) And becuase he is a more moderate republican he is less abrasive to me than Huckabee.

I'm not sure if my reasoning makes a ton of sense or if I'm talking out of my ass. I will consider everything very carefully if she get's the nod. I'm not guarenteeing that I'll vote McCain...just that it woud be a very very very hard choice for me to make. Either way I'd have to hold my nose and vote.

[Annamarie]

I realize my POV isn't the mainstream here but Obama and Clinton both scare the poop out of me. I'm nowhere near feeling comfortable with how liberal O is or how Socialistic C is. McCain fits me wayyy better. (actually he was the one that fit me best back when that test was posted but I was planning to vote for Guiliani at the time)

[threecubs]

Now just to be clear I don't feel this way about all women in office. I love Maria Cantwell and Patty Murry. I do though, feel the same about Gov. Gregoire as I do about Hillary. I don't know what it is about these women that strike me as unlikeable. I actually voted Republican for our Gov. instead of voting for Gregoire. I'm not a party line voter, I vote for who my conscious leads me to vote for. If I just can't stomach the two people running, I'll vote for the lesser of two evils but I loathe it and it makes my stomach turn.


This is very much me too, K! and I also voted Rep. instead of Gregoire! My DH works for the state, and he very much dislikes Gregoire and tells me often about how much things have changed (for the worse) since she came into office, and he is very much a Democrat.

[candeo]

There is just something about Hillary that is off to me. I find her condescending and willing to do anything to win (no matter how unethical). I don't like her attitude right now while she isn't ahead. I hate how she is blaming caucus states and saying how wrong they are...while if she was way ahead (and won a few) I'm not sure her reaction would be the same. She kinda acting like a bad sport. Anyone who attended a caucus in WA know's that there wasn't just activists, as she is calling them, who attended. At mine there were old people, first time voters, college kids and normal everyday people(like me) there who felt really strongly. And I don't like the race card she is occasionally pulling out. I think rather than pulling the country together she will be very polarizing.

Sure, maybe she would be an okay pres. but I don't trust her.

And that is key to me: I don't trust her.

While I may not agree with McCain on the war front...I'm not completely sure he'd be as bad for the country as Bush is now. I do think he is genuine. (however much I would rather that Obama wins) And becuase he is a more moderate republican he is less abrasive to me than Huckabee.

I'm not sure if my reasoning makes a ton of sense or if I'm talking out of my ass. I will consider everything very carefully if she get's the nod. I'm not guarenteeing that I'll vote McCain...just that it woud be a very very very hard choice for me to make. Either way I'd have to hold my nose and vote.

If McCain wins, you don't just get a Republican President, you get a whole ton of Republican control of all kinds of things that you might not want. Party really does matter - a Republican President will appoint Republicans wherever he can, including on the Supreme Court, and the policies of the Republican party will spread much farther than the Oval Office. A Democrat President, no matter who it is (and I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and agree with all your criticism of her) will actually undo a lot of the harm that's been put into place by the Bush administration. A Republican President, no matter who it is, will leave a lot of the people and policies put in place by Bush as they are.

So it isn't really just a clean choice between two people, it's a choice between two vastly opposed overall ways of conducting government. And much as I can't stand Clinton, I'd vote for her as a Democrat over any Republican.

[kathy caribe]

If McCain wins, you don't just get a Republican President, you get a whole ton of Republican control of all kinds of things that you might not want. Party really does matter - a Republican President will appoint Republicans wherever he can, including on the Supreme Court, and the policies of the Republican party will spread much farther than the Oval Office. A Democrat President, no matter who it is (and I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and agree with all your criticism of her) will actually undo a lot of the harm that's been put into place by the Bush administration. A Republican President, no matter who it is, will leave a lot of the people and policies put in place by Bush as they are.

So it isn't really just a clean choice between two people, it's a choice between two vastly opposed overall ways of conducting government. And much as I can't stand Clinton, I'd vote for her as a Democrat over any Republican.

This is a very good point. I voted Obama in the primary (did I mention I voted in the very first ex-pat primary??? :yeah:) but I'd rather have Bill back in office than Hillary. I voted "don't know" in this poll because I don't know anything about McCain but after your post I'd probably go party line with any Democrat.

[Holly]

election. The election is bigger than just president, there is the cabinet to seat, supreme court judges to possibly fill and other federal positions to fill as well.

I still kind of grin when I see/hear mention that Obama and Hillary are liberal and socialists. Personally, I find both of them a little too conservative :jester: