can I have some nursing help ASAP, pretty please?

[karunamayi]

From my sister just now:

I'm getting ready to give up on breat feeding all together and just pump into bottles. He will not take my breast half the time. He wants it, he is hungry I put him on with a fight, finally gets on gets latched and two min later he either pushes away again or falls asleep. Specially at night. During the day we get some good feeds in, but he falls alseep through most of them. But at night its horrible. I have no problem wakingup to feed him, but its a struggle and keeps us up for at least 1.5-2hrs. ough

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I suggested LLL, a visit to an LC and even chiro in case his neck was sore.

Anything else? As an expert, which we have here, what do you see in this message?

I'm replying to her now with lots of appreciation and validation but I would also like to give her some concrete tools.

I'm searching for her local LLL chapter now with the phone number.

Thanks!!!!

[Kathy]

From my sister just now:
I suggested LLL, a visit to an LC and even chiro in case his neck was sore.

Anything else? As an expert, which we have here, what do you see in this message?

I'm replying to her now with lots of appreciation and validation but I would also like to give her some concrete tools.

I'm searching for her local LLL chapter now with the phone number.
Thanks!!!!

Perhaps some breast compression to really get the milk flowing well and get his attention? Things to wake him up a bit, like taking off some layers, tickling the bottoms of his feet?

[shannon]

Get him naked (or as close to it) to try to keep him awake. Take him into bed with you so that you don't have to physically get up to get him. Try to keep him skin to skin as much as possible.

Karuna, given his traumatic birth, I'd say that you're on the right path with recommending some gentle chiro or craniosacral work. The only other thing I'd recommend is that every time she wakes up with him, get her to drink some water while she's up. She'll wake up in the morning feeling less hungover, and it'll help keep up her supply through the 24-hour cycle.

[mudcreekmama]

I can't give any real advise on the nursing but really, keep encouraging her to get in to see a chiro - it made a HUGE difference for my babe.

[karunamayi]

thank you thank you thank you...

[lunita]

Is he getting enough to eat now (is she counting pees and poops and is he gaining okay?) If he's not getting bottles AND not nursing well then I'd worry that the falling asleep right now is a symptom of being too weak to stay awake. I'd check with her about that. I'd also remind her that he needs to be fed every 2-3 hours from the BEGINNING of one feeding until the beginning of the next, or 10-12 times in a 24 hour period. It's confusing, and awfully tempting with a very sleepy baby to say "that feeding took more than an hour, I'll wake him up again in 3 hours" and that feeds into the cycle. Oh, and feed her info about waking him up -- here's an article http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/waking_a_sleepy_baby.shtml

I'd also encourage her to not give up nursing just because she needs to supplement with bottles. It doesn't have to be either/or. I am going to search for it now but you can google PACE feeding and see if you can come up with anything -- it's a method of bottle feeding that helps limit nipple confusion. The LC's at our local hospital really try to limit the use of complicated contraptions like supplementers because they think that people give up with them more easily. Instead, they try to teach people to use bottles in this particular way. (googling the method is proving almost impossible. "pace" is too common of a word. I'll try to think of what the acronym stood for, or maybe Kerry knows.)

Kathy's idea for breast compression is good. Here's Jack Newman's handout about that http://www.bflrc.com/newman/breastfeeding/compres2.htm It can help keep that beautiful baby awake AND increase his intake when he is awake.

[ADDled]

Is he getting enough to eat now (is she counting pees and poops and is he gaining okay?) If he's not getting bottles AND not nursing well then I'd worry that the falling asleep right now is a symptom of being too weak to stay awake. I'd check with her about that. I'd also remind her that he needs to be fed every 2-3 hours from the BEGINNING of one feeding until the beginning of the next, or 10-12 times in a 24 hour period. It's confusing, and awfully tempting with a very sleepy baby to say "that feeding took more than an hour, I'll wake him up again in 3 hours" and that feeds into the cycle. Oh, and feed her info about waking him up -- here's an article http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/waking_a_sleepy_baby.shtml

I'd also encourage her to not give up nursing just because she needs to supplement with bottles. It doesn't have to be either/or. I am going to search for it now but you can google PACE feeding and see if you can come up with anything -- it's a method of bottle feeding that helps limit nipple confusion. The LC's at our local hospital really try to limit the use of complicated contraptions like supplementers because they think that people give up with them more easily. Instead, they try to teach people to use bottles in this particular way. (googling the method is proving almost impossible. "pace" is too common of a word. I'll try to think of what the acronym stood for, or maybe Kerry knows.)

Kathy's idea for breast compression is good. Here's Jack Newman's handout about that http://www.bflrc.com/newman/breastfeeding/compres2.htm It can help keep that beautiful baby awake AND increase his intake when he is awake.Karuna, I have the article in PDF form about this type of feeding. If you happen to want a copy of it, you can email me and I'll forward it on to you.

I was skeptical of chiro until it helped Sawyer nurse. It was like magic. Two treatments and he was all better.

It's hard to know how to help without being able to ask her tons more questions, but I get the impression that maybe she's not offering enough?

And I hate to bring it up, but did she circ him yet? That certainly can make a baby very, very sleepy, in defense to the healing pain they're going through. If she did, maybe she needs to address pain relief more completely than she has.

[karunamayi]

thanks amy... my e mail is karunamayi.rns@gmail.com

Sigh... I have *no* idea but my dad was with them on Sunday and said he was screaming his little heart out. :( I was told it's 5 days of healing and that it's murder on the nursing relationship post C/S.

I sent her the link I posted about nurses against the blahblah... (basically nurses who refused to have *anything* to dow ith circ in a professional or personal capacity, bless their hearts) with a little note saying "I know you like to make informed, educated decisions." and she replied "we HAVE made an informed, educated decision, thank you".
:sosorry:

***looks for the "I heart intact penises" smiley***

[ADDled]

thanks amy... my e mail is karunamayi.rns@gmail.com (https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1&view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=karunamayi.rns@gmail.com)

Sigh... I have *no* idea but my dad was with them on Sunday and said he was screaming his little heart out. :( I was told it's 5 days of healing and that it's murder on the nursing relationship post C/S.

I sent her the link I posted about nurses against the blahblah... (basically nurses who refused to have *anything* to dow ith circ in a professional or personal capacity, bless their hearts) with a little note saying "I know you like to make informed, educated decisions." and she replied "we HAVE made an informed, educated decision, thank you".
:sosorry:

***looks for the "I heart intact penises" smiley***You have mail.